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biggus illitterātus
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 31748 Location: Hotel California
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Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:01 pm Post subject: Not so much a question, but an answer |
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The final drive on my 1100 Pan started going "yang yang yang" on overrun... So I checked the oil in the Bevel box and it was grey and gritty... "not good". I was taking the wheels out for new boots, and this is what I found:
Similar coresponding wear on the splines on the gears... in other words they are fooked... (replacement bevel gears are £402+vat for a matched pair, the "spider" £152 + vat) "OUCH".
Seems this problem is the culmination of a few things...
1. The disintegration & non replacement of two O rings.
2. Ditto one plastic "thrust" washer
3. Ingress of road detritus and brake dust,
4. Incorrect spline lubricant used...
"Good s/h" drive Spider from
Anyway, turns out the "correct" stuff to use on the splines is pretty much obsolete. And "Dealer Workshop" recommendation of using "Moly Grease", or "LM Grease" is incorrect. Ordinary Moly Grease is far too thin, too low a melting point etc... the "Paste" required is known by Honda as "Moly 60" and is quite tar like so it doesn't get squeezed out of the splines... it doesn't melt and run out and doesn't pick up dust and turn into grinding paste.
The correct stuff, is available from here: http://www.motocrossworld.com/site/scripts/product_browse.php?product_id=22378
So lessons kids... make sure you know all the seals and spacers that "SHOULD" be present on your wheels, make sure the tyre company/garage use the correct grease/paste if you have a shafty... _________________
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biggus illitterātus
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 31748 Location: Hotel California
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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:25 am Post subject: |
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And this is the stuff....
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Simon Smith Despatch Rider
Joined: 16 May 2011 Posts: 162 Location: Oxted
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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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Does it have aHonda part number? If so I might be able to get it, it's bound to be used on a piece of machinery somewhere. |
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biggus illitterātus
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 31748 Location: Hotel California
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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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Simon Smith wrote: | Does it have aHonda part number? If so I might be able to get it, it's bound to be used on a piece of machinery somewhere. |
The Honda Part # is 08734-0001 (I've bought it from the shop link in my first post).
I've heard it called "hammer grease" too. _________________
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Flintstone Del Boy Deer Hunter
Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 3988 Location: .........in another world !
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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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We used a similar compound where I used to work called 'Anti-scuffing paste' made by Rocol and is still used on shaft splines by the Landrover forums. On some of my old cars I just used the graphite grease as used in the cv joints as this was very high melting point. When heated enough to dry out it just turned into powder. _________________ It's all down to quality of life ! |
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Loco Monkey With a Machine Gun
Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 2646 Location: Lost in Space
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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I reckon that's just good old CV grease in Honda packaging _________________ The Resident Forum Ghost |
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redrat Dirty old man
Joined: 18 Mar 2007 Posts: 578 Location: Frimley, Surrey
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Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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Just re-read this thread - a well documented Pan fact is the existence of a hidden third (3rd) O ring inside the hub spider - did you find this and check it when assembling the spare parts - not a problem to check/replace when next the wheel is off + a teaspoon max of the 'paste' is plenty when lubricating the contact areas!! |
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Simon Smith Despatch Rider
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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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We can get it, but we don't get much off the price so can't beat that. Just a thought. |
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Nuclear Red Speedway Rider
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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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I love shaft drives, never a problem unlike those nasty medieval chains.
Until there is a problem then its a disaster. _________________ Blue smoke and a ring ding ding |
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Nuclear Red Speedway Rider
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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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I love shaft drives, never a problem unlike those nasty medieval chains.
Until there is a problem then its a disaster. _________________ Blue smoke and a ring ding ding |
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biggus illitterātus
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 31748 Location: Hotel California
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:30 am Post subject: |
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redrat wrote: | Just re-read this thread - a well documented Pan fact is the existence of a hidden third (3rd) O ring inside the hub spider - did you find this and check it when assembling the spare parts - not a problem to check/replace when next the wheel is off + a teaspoon max of the 'paste' is plenty when lubricating the contact areas!! |
Yes I found that one too. Easy to see how they go unnoticed if they disintegrate!
Nuclear Red wrote: | I love shaft drives, never a problem unlike those nasty medieval chains.
Until there is a problem then its a disaster. |
You are not wrong there. Did anyone mention disintegrating BMW GS shaft drives?! _________________
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